Report: OU & Texas reach out to join SEC

SEIOWA CLONE

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I struggle to see the Big Ten wanting to extend that far west, or the PAC 12 teams wanting to join up with a conference that far east. The Big Ten is already strong. The PAC 12 has a nice conference that simply needs to expand to strengthen it's standing and broaden its reach. Picking up four Big 12 teams would do that (I'm thinking ISU, KU, OSU and one other).
The only AAU schools left in the Big 12 is ISU and KU, anyone else would not get an invite, the Big 10 is standing their ground on that one.

I agree with your thought of "do the Pac 12 school want to fly all the way to the eastern time zone a couple times a year to play games?" For every trip USC gets to Ohio State and Penn St. they also have a trip to Maryland and Rutgers. Just cannot see their fans all excited about playing Purdue, Illinois either. As much as EIU fans love to talk about Iowa City, its not a destination place to visit if you are on the West coast, Chicago and Minneapolis are fun trips but Iowa City?
 

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I struggle to see the Big Ten wanting to extend that far west, or the PAC 12 teams wanting to join up with a conference that far east. The Big Ten is already strong. The PAC 12 has a nice conference that simply needs to expand to strengthen it's standing and broaden its reach. Picking up four Big 12 teams would do that (I'm thinking ISU, KU, OSU and one other).

See, I'm not sure the Pac12 really cares about what other people think about their sports programs. It's an academics dominated league that dances to the beat of it's own drum. It's a Power league in name only at this point and there doesn't seem to be any real urgency to change it.

In their ideal world they'd go back to the traditional bowl system that gets them games against the Big Ten and bowing down to UCLA Basketball.
 

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I'm really having issues seeing the workability of an 18 or 20 team conference. Just seems to water down the desirable match ups each year (even with the Big Ten at 14 teams, it seems like you have way too many years where good teams don't end up playing each other).

A big question with pods for the Big Ten is do you group Michigan, OSU and Penn State together because of geography geographically or separate them because it can even the balance of the league.

A pod of NW, Indiana, Purdue and Illinois is not good unless it gets Michigan, ND or OSU added to it. At least the western pod could have Iowa and Wisc as two consistent football programs.

I do see how the Big Ten could work with a 5 or 6 team pod from the Pac and filling in with a few teams like ND, ISU, KU or an ACC team if that becomes possible.

It's now likely impossible any conference can match the SEC on the field. Big Ten/Pac merger alliance probably beats them in some other ways.

They tried being a little loose with geography on the leaders/legends thing and settled at east/west instead.
 
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When was the last time the B1G made a bold move? Adding Maryland and Rutgers was a "huh?" and even kNU, while logical, was anything but bold. The raiding the PAC-12 would be bold, especially if it makes a 20 team league. I just don't see it, B1G is slow, safe, calculated. Exact opposite of the "Wild West Conference" that someone proposed, which actually sounded like a college version of the XFL. And sounded fun.
 

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The most likely move IMO is the B1G getting all four California schools along with Oregon and Washington. Maybe Arizona has a chance here as well.

The left-behind merger would be 14 schools - us eight plus Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Utah.

Add in a BYU or a San Diego State (for CA presence) in WVU’s place if they either get an ACC invite or just can’t deal with this geography
 

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I struggle to see the Big Ten wanting to extend that far west, or the PAC 12 teams wanting to join up with a conference that far east. The Big Ten is already strong. The PAC 12 has a nice conference that simply needs to expand to strengthen it's standing and broaden its reach. Picking up four Big 12 teams would do that (I'm thinking ISU, KU, OSU and one other).

The answers are money and keeping up with the SEC. I continue to feel this comes down to what do the big schools in the Big 10 and Pac 12 want to do.

Is there ever a point they say screw the big tv contracts and the SEC, we have enough money, we're not really competing for National Championships against Alabama and the like, let's go back to trying to win the Rose Bowl.
 

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money .. much more if they move to the BIG most likely.
True but how much more? Without a doubt the Pac 12 network has under performed with how much money it has brought in, but a large part of that is that is not one Direct TV and I am not sure its on Dish either. You also have to deal with the fact that many people on the West Coast, are really not into college sports, there are just so many other things to do out there to keep a person engaged rather than college sports.
 

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Completely agree, at what point do the Vanderbilt, MSU, Ole Miss, Kentucky's going to start pushing back against their conference when they keep bringing in teams that will only push them further down. I don't know how many times I've seen ESPN graphics show only the top 5 teams in each division so you don't even see the bottom couple of teams. Is the money really worth being completely marginalized!?
They are getting paid to be the cannon fodder. Every conference needs cannon fodder so the top teams can have good records.
 
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They are getting paid to be the cannon fodder. Every conference needs cannon fodder so the top teams can have good records.

precisely why we have more leverage than we think, but we need to prepared to take a 10 year budget cut and be patient

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The answers are money and keeping up with the SEC. I continue to feel this comes down to what do the big schools in the Big 10 and Pac 12 want to do.

Is there ever a point they say screw the big tv contracts and the SEC, we have enough money, we're not really competing for National Championships against Alabama and the like, let's go back to trying to win the Rose Bowl.

I know it is a cast as some kind of a grand competition, but it's really not. If the Big Ten schools can make great money without sticking their necks out too far, that might just be okay for them. They'll still be competitive and get their share of shots at it, even if the SEC takes home more money and titles. I'd say the same about Fox. Stability has value too.
 

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I struggle to see the Big Ten wanting to extend that far west, or the PAC 12 teams wanting to join up with a conference that far east. The Big Ten is already strong. The PAC 12 has a nice conference that simply needs to expand to strengthen it's standing and broaden its reach. Picking up four Big 12 teams would do that (I'm thinking ISU, KU, OSU and one other).
Agree, the Big10 can afford to stand pat for awhile but the PAC 12 needs to do something before they become completely irrelevant.
 

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When was the last time the B1G made a bold move? Adding Maryland and Rutgers was a "huh?" and even kNU, while logical, was anything but bold. The raiding the PAC-12 would be bold, especially if it makes a 20 team league. I just don't see it, B1G is slow, safe, calculated. Exact opposite of the "Wild West Conference" that someone proposed, which actually sounded like a college version of the XFL. And sounded fun.

Penn State was a big and massively successful addition that outweighed the eventual scandal for them.

I think in hindsight with this OU/Texas move their idea to add ACC teams based purely on population of tv market rather than strength on the football field and entire athletic department is looking pretty dumb. Rutgers was definitely a mistake. Maryland is too early to be sure. Clemson, Virginia and UNC would have been better and in that climate of instability they all would have jumped.
 

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A big question with pods for the Big Ten is do you group Michigan, OSU and Penn State together because of geography geographically or separate them because it can even the balance of the league.

A pod of NW, Indiana, Purdue and Illinois is not good unless it gets Michigan, ND or OSU added to it. At least the western pod could have Iowa and Wisc as two consistent football programs.

I do see how the Big Ten could work with a 5 or 6 team pod from the Pac and filling in with a few teams like ND, ISU, KU or an ACC team if that becomes possible.

It's now likely impossible any conference can match the SEC on the field. Big Ten/Pac merger alliance probably beats them in some other ways.

They tried being a little loose with geography on the leaders/legends thing and settled at east/west instead.
If the Big 10 expands by picking over the Pac 12, they will not be expanding with Big 12 schools or ACC schools, and while they would give their left nut to get ND they are off the table and will never go to the Big 10. The ACC offered ND the two things that the Big 10 never will, independence in Football and allow them to retain the TV deal with NBC. No way the Big 10 allows either of them, no mater that they are located in the middle of the conference.
 

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Agree, the Big10 can afford to stand pat for awhile but the PAC 12 needs to do something before they become completely irrelevant.

Look at last year's NCAA tournament.

Pac was selected and seeded like it was the 6th or 7th best conference. It showed out as possibly the #1 conference.

Every year there is some conference that gets overseeded, that's normal, but I have never seen a conference remotely outperform their seeds the way the Pac did. I mean not even close.
 

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If the Big 10 expands by picking over the Pac 12, they will not be expanding with Big 12 schools or ACC schools, and while they would give their left nut to get ND they are off the table and will never go to the Big 10. The ACC offered ND the two things that the Big 10 never will, independence in Football and allow them to retain the TV deal with NBC. No way the Big 10 allows either of them, no mater that they are located in the middle of the conference.

If they took 5 or 6 out there, they have 14 existing teams to divide into 3 pods.

They'd need 1 or 4 depending on 5 or 6 team pods.

Just adding 2 west coast teams and sticking them in B10W seems like the least likely. It would be a pod.
 

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An undeniable law of physics when it comes to college football (or basically any form of competition) is that one team's success must come at the expense of another team. And this simple law of physics is the fatal flaw of the superconference.

The "blue blood" programs became blue bloods because they had a long history of success in their respective conferences. They achieved this long history of success because their conferences included weaker programs.

When you stack these blue blood programs into the same conference, the majority of them will no longer enjoy that degree of success. Their fans will become unhappy and their coaching staff will turn over. Of course, all these blue blood programs think they'll still be successful, but it's mathematically impossible.

Having many conferences stocked with programs of varying levels of success is vital to the ecosystem of college football. ESPN and the SEC have just destroyed this ecosystem because they no longer feel that $50+ million per year in TV revenue is satisfactory.

College football as we know it is about to die and greed will be the cause of death.


This is the most spot on post of this entire thread!
 

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